it's funny how associations get started. a while back, someone taught me to use the "alt" ES keys to get to the drop down menus in Office. before that, i'd always just used my mouse. now, everytime i want to paste special, and i invoke the "alt" ES key command, he comes to mind. memories work in funny ways sometimes. i wonder if anyone out there associates me with something like that. actually, i probably wouldn't want to know.